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		<title>By: thirdworstpoetinthegalaxy</title>
		<link>http://www.theideaofprogress.com/2007/10/11/you-say-potato-i-say-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdworstpoetinthegalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;after all this time&quot; -- now there&#039;s the sad part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;after all this time&#8221; &#8212; now there&#8217;s the sad part.</p>
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		<title>By: Laaw-yuhr</title>
		<link>http://www.theideaofprogress.com/2007/10/11/you-say-potato-i-say-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Laaw-yuhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, bert, that your analogy between genocide and serial killers is unsound.  No one - government, society, etc. - pretends that a serial killer is anything other than a serial killer.  No one tries to cover up how many people he killed or that he in fact even killed them.  Usually we study these killers to try to understand why and how things went wrong in hopes of preventing such atrocities in the future. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Government sponsored genocide is a far different creature.  Said government may try to conceal the extent of the genocide or to deny its existence altogether.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When a government is held accountable -or holds itself accountable- for its actions, it&#039;s about more than acknowledging a wrong.  To make a more sound comparison, holding a government accountable is more like *studying* the serial killer; it&#039;s about saying that not only was what happened wrong, but that we the people don&#039;t want it to happen again.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a friend of mine is fond of saying &quot;Real men stand up.&quot; Governments worthy of respect do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, bert, that your analogy between genocide and serial killers is unsound.  No one &#8211; government, society, etc. &#8211; pretends that a serial killer is anything other than a serial killer.  No one tries to cover up how many people he killed or that he in fact even killed them.  Usually we study these killers to try to understand why and how things went wrong in hopes of preventing such atrocities in the future. </p>
<p>Government sponsored genocide is a far different creature.  Said government may try to conceal the extent of the genocide or to deny its existence altogether.</p>
<p>When a government is held accountable -or holds itself accountable- for its actions, it&#8217;s about more than acknowledging a wrong.  To make a more sound comparison, holding a government accountable is more like *studying* the serial killer; it&#8217;s about saying that not only was what happened wrong, but that we the people don&#8217;t want it to happen again.  </p>
<p>As a friend of mine is fond of saying &#8220;Real men stand up.&#8221; Governments worthy of respect do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Bananas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Bananas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a 12 step program for recovering genocidests?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And how come we don&#039;t make the children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. of serial killers follow some schedule for admitting/embracing the fact that they are descended from serial killers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a 12 step program for recovering genocidests?</p>
<p>And how come we don&#8217;t make the children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. of serial killers follow some schedule for admitting/embracing the fact that they are descended from serial killers?</p>
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		<title>By: pistols at dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>pistols at dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone whose brother is a resident of Istanbul, this is an issue near and dear to me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The political wags hold with Mr. Bert&#039;s analysis - Pelosi&#039;s beholden to lots of Armenians.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I concur with Laaw-yuhr that the timing of this is f-ing retarded.  When you look at global geopolitics, you have to balance good and bad with useful.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Saudis are fairly abhorrent in most human rights arenas and were the actual home of most of the 9/11 terrorists, yet we put up with them because we need a sort-of ally there.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Despite all our missteps in the Middle East, Turkey is the one country we should have been sucking up to.  They&#039;re the sorta secular Muslim democracy we wanted Iraq to be, have a huge young population that&#039;s fairly open to Western influence, and they&#039;re kind of the key to a lot of things right now (expanding the EU, providing a stabilizing influence in the region).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This message is the right one, but at the wrong time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone whose brother is a resident of Istanbul, this is an issue near and dear to me.</p>
<p>The political wags hold with Mr. Bert&#8217;s analysis &#8211; Pelosi&#8217;s beholden to lots of Armenians.</p>
<p>However, I concur with Laaw-yuhr that the timing of this is f-ing retarded.  When you look at global geopolitics, you have to balance good and bad with useful.</p>
<p>The Saudis are fairly abhorrent in most human rights arenas and were the actual home of most of the 9/11 terrorists, yet we put up with them because we need a sort-of ally there.  </p>
<p>Despite all our missteps in the Middle East, Turkey is the one country we should have been sucking up to.  They&#8217;re the sorta secular Muslim democracy we wanted Iraq to be, have a huge young population that&#8217;s fairly open to Western influence, and they&#8217;re kind of the key to a lot of things right now (expanding the EU, providing a stabilizing influence in the region).  </p>
<p>This message is the right one, but at the wrong time.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Bananas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Bananas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out here in SoCal we have the largest concentration of Armenians outside of Yerevan.  The Conservative view point is that the two House Representatives whose districts include many of these Armenians, and who happen to be the two men behind all of this &quot;let&#039;s call a spade a shovel&quot; activity, are only doing this to suck up to a very large voting block.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many people believe the Turks are in denial.  Most Americans, if asked to discuss how European immigrants treated Native Americans, would understand this natural tendency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thus the answer is simply this:  without admitting that there was a genocide, allow Armenian tribes to open casinos in the modern Ottoman Empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out here in SoCal we have the largest concentration of Armenians outside of Yerevan.  The Conservative view point is that the two House Representatives whose districts include many of these Armenians, and who happen to be the two men behind all of this &#8220;let&#8217;s call a spade a shovel&#8221; activity, are only doing this to suck up to a very large voting block.  </p>
<p>Many people believe the Turks are in denial.  Most Americans, if asked to discuss how European immigrants treated Native Americans, would understand this natural tendency.</p>
<p>Thus the answer is simply this:  without admitting that there was a genocide, allow Armenian tribes to open casinos in the modern Ottoman Empire.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ambiguous Blob</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ambiguous Blob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed before. And I cannot believe the government of Turkey can lie so terribly and think that they can get away with it. Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed before. And I cannot believe the government of Turkey can lie so terribly and think that they can get away with it. Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My best friend (the one who saw the kamikaze bicyclist) is, get this, half German and half Turkish. He and I were talking about this recently. It is downright bizarre that Turkey won&#039;t admit to this. They would lose nothing by admitting what happened. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, Japan still refuses to admit its atrocities in World War II. The United States only recognized that the internment of the Japanese-Americans during World War II was wrong in the 1980&#039;s (Congress issued an official apology and gave the surviving internees money). It seems &quot;sorry&quot; really is the hardest word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My best friend (the one who saw the kamikaze bicyclist) is, get this, half German and half Turkish. He and I were talking about this recently. It is downright bizarre that Turkey won&#8217;t admit to this. They would lose nothing by admitting what happened. </p>
<p>Of course, Japan still refuses to admit its atrocities in World War II. The United States only recognized that the internment of the Japanese-Americans during World War II was wrong in the 1980&#8217;s (Congress issued an official apology and gave the surviving internees money). It seems &#8220;sorry&#8221; really is the hardest word.</p>
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		<title>By: Laaw-yuhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laaw-yuhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, but to play devil&#039;s advocate for a moment, I do find the timing of this to be totally bizarre.  One difference about our relationship with Germany is that Holocaust repercussions were far more immediate, and rightfully so.  So why is it that we wait until 2007 to issue condemnations for WWI?  In the midst of our own unconscionable human rights violation?  And god knows I hate Bush with ever fiber of my being - but at this particular moment I&#039;m not sure I want Turkey pissed at us.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess every victory comes at a cost, and maybe the cost is not great in this instance.  But personally, I think it&#039;s too damn little much, much too late.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the upside, I&#039;m going to call my Armenian friend to celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but to play devil&#8217;s advocate for a moment, I do find the timing of this to be totally bizarre.  One difference about our relationship with Germany is that Holocaust repercussions were far more immediate, and rightfully so.  So why is it that we wait until 2007 to issue condemnations for WWI?  In the midst of our own unconscionable human rights violation?  And god knows I hate Bush with ever fiber of my being &#8211; but at this particular moment I&#8217;m not sure I want Turkey pissed at us.   </p>
<p>I guess every victory comes at a cost, and maybe the cost is not great in this instance.  But personally, I think it&#8217;s too damn little much, much too late.</p>
<p>On the upside, I&#8217;m going to call my Armenian friend to celebrate.</p>
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